Lee DNA Results

DNA results indicate no match with the Lee family of Robert E. Lee. We also have no significant matches with any other family line.

Haplogroup I2b M223+
The I2b lineage likely has its roots in northern France. Today it is found most frequently within Viking / Scandinavian populations in Northwest Europe and extends at low frequencies into Central and Eastern Europe.

There are no indications that this Lee line originated in any other country but England.

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  38523 Dr. Lee  - Williams I2b 14 23 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 18 20 35 39 12 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 21 15 12 12 12 13 9 13 27 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11
  97721 L Lee  - Rachael I2b 14 23 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 18 20 35 39 12 10                                                            
  97719 V. Lee  - Rachael I2b 14 23 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 16                                                                                    
  Sorenson Lee - Agatha   14 23 16 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 15                                                                                    
  Sorenson LeMoine  
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    Norris I2b 14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 14 12 32 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 18 19 35 39 12 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 21 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 27 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11
    Herrington I2b 14 23 15 10 14 14 11 13 11 13 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 29 11 14 14 15 11 9 19 21 14 14 18 20 35 39 12 10 11 8 15 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 15 11 12 12 13 9 13 27 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   
                                                                                                   

Lee DNA research
We have an important break in John D. Lee’s pedigree.

DNA testing is giving us a strong indication that the mother of JDL’s father, Ralph Lee is Hannah Norris, from Baltimore, MD.  This information suggests (not proven)  that Ralph Lee’s father is John Lee of Baltimore, MD and his grandfather is Ralph Lee of Baltimore, MD.


Here’s how we arrived at this information.

First thing about DNA research is that it needs a solid genealogy.  In this respect, Renee Durfee deserves the Lee family’s deepest appreciation.  She has done the hard work of finding the original documents and proving every point of John D Lee’s history.  There is no one that I can put my finger on that has contributed as much to verifying the history.

John D Lee’s father Ralph Lee is the genealogy brick wall for the Lee pedigree.  The information we have is:

“My father, Ralph Lee, was born in the State of Virginia. He was of the family of Lees of Revolutionary fame, and was a relative of General Robert E. Lee, of the late war; he served his time as an apprentice and learned the carpenter's trade in the city of Baltimore.”

Renee found apprenticeship papers for Ralph Lee in December 1785 Orphan Court records in Baltimore, Maryland, stating that he was 17 years old and an orphan.  This tells us that Ralph was born about 1768 and probably resided in Baltimore, MD.  


At the time, the only options for DNA testing was a Y-DNA test.  Y-DNA can measure about 100 markers that are passed only from father to sons.  This means that a direct male descendant of John D Lee  (with a Lee surname) would have the same DNA markers as John D Lee.  

Dr. Terry Lee, Vern Lee and Leroy Lee all stepped up to do a Y-DNA test.  The results gave us several new clues to John’s father.


At this point we theorized that Ralph Lee was born about 1768, was living in Baltimore, MD in 1785, was not related to any Lee family and that his ancestors had produced few if any other descendants.  

There are a few matches to Lee's DNA signature but only DNA match that stood out as a possibility was a surname Norris who had the same problem we did.  He had an ancestor born 2 years before Ralph Lee in Baltimore, MD who was not a DNA match with any Norris family, but he did match Ralph Lee.  This had to be more than a coincidence.

We got to looking around for Lee's specifically in Baltimore, MD during this period.  


So we made up a story to fit the facts.  

Ralph Lee b.abt 1718 of Baltimore, MD was the father of John Lee b.abt 1743.  John Lee married Hannah Norris about 1765 and had at least 2 boys, Ralph Lee b.1768 and Daniel Norris b.1766.  

John Lee (husband of Hannah Norris) died after the 2 boys were born and the widow Hannah Lee gave one son (Daniel) to be raised by a cousin as a Norris.  The other son (Ralph) went to his grandfather to raise.  About 1785 Ralph Lee (grandfather) died and the boy (Ralph) was apprenticed as an orphan to a carpenter in Baltimore.

Hannah Norris Lee married a second time to Nathaniel Armstrong and had many children.


More DNA testing.
In the last few years a new DNA test had been developed that could identify cousins out to 6 generations.  Previous to this, we could only match to a male Lee.  With this new test we could find matches with any of Hannah Norris Lee Armstrong’s descendants.

If we could find a Cousin DNA match with a descendant of Hannah Norris Armstrong and one of our Lee DNA tests, it would go a long way toward supporting our story.  If we could find 2 matches, it would prove a relationship between the descendants of Hannah Norris and Ralph Lee.

So we began a new round of DNA testing.  In order for this new test to work we had to have a descendant of Hannah Norris Armstrong who also got the same test from the same company and filled out enough of the pedigree surnames so that we could identify a match.  

A second problem is that the DNA match was so far back, it was at the limit of the DNA test’s ability to identify.

We have a match!
As of May 30th, 2012 we have a match with a descendant of Hannah Norris. It appears we will identify a 2nd match soon.  This match tells us that a descendant of John D Lee also has DNA from Hannah Norris.

Where do we go from here in DNA testing?
The first thing we are looking for, is a 2nd match with Hannah Norris. This will strongly confirm the DNA relationship.  

Since our Lee DNA doesn’t match any other Lee DNA in the world, we have to look at other surnames.  We have a partial match to a LeMoine in Quebec, Canada.  By partial match, I mean the DNA matches on every marker that both DNA tests report, but they don’t test all the same markers.  It’s not a huge jump from LeMoine to Lee when to arrive in America.  

So we make up a little story.  “A LeMoine from France arrived in Baltimore, MD (seaport) and anglicized his name to Lee.”  It’s time to find some LeMoine’s and get their DNA sample.


Here’s a proposed pedigree for Ralph Lee (father of JDL)

Ralph Lee (grandfather)
b.abt 1718

John Lee (husband of Hannah Norris)
b.abt 1743
m.abt 1765 to Hannah Norris

Daniel Lee (Norris) b.1766 Baltimore, MD
Ralph Lee b. 1768 Baltimore, MD


Here’s an extended pedigree showing the relationship with the Norris family.

John Norris
B. 1652 in Maryland
B: 1663, Anne Arundel,MD
D: 2 Aug 1710, Anne Arundel,MD

Benjamin B.1698
Edward
b.1701 m: Hannah Scott

James b.25 Feb, 1743 (cousin of Hannah Norris)
m. Mary

Daniel Norris b.1766

Joseph Norris b.1705
B: 20 Feb 1705, St James Parish,Anne Arundel,Maryland,USA
D: 14 May 1784, Baltimore MD

Hannah Norris b. 23 Jan 1743
m. John Lee abt 1765 Baltimore, MD
b.abt 1743 d.abt 1768
m. 2nd Nathaniel Shepard Armstrong 14 May 1769 in Baltimore, MD, B: 9 Jul 1749 in Harford, Maryland, USA, D: 4 Jul 1840 in Hamilton, Ohio, USA, had children with Armstrong 1770-1788

Daniel Lee (Norris) b.1766
Ralph Lee b.1768

John D Lee

 

Norris